The Glued Piggy Bank
A blog about personal and family finance. Combining confusing finds from the internet and personal experience
Thursday, April 23, 2015
Recertify your IDR plan today!
Tax time has come and gone. While some of us enjoyed our 0% interest savings account and got a big check back from the government for overpaying taxes, others maximized their paychecks throughout the year and received or paid back very little from/to the IRS, and some didn't plan very well and owed quite a bit. Either way your return went, the IRS now has your 2014 AGI. I had anticipated more time before needing to resubmit paperwork update our student loan income driven repayment (IDR) plan, considering all of the issues setting it up last year. I was mistaken.
I received an email on April 17th from StudentLoans.gov, approximately one year to the day after I submitted my original IDR plan request, to recertify our income. Failure to do so would result in our repayment defaulting to the standard repayment. Understand that no information of a deadline was included in the email, and rather than owe an additional $704 next month, I thought it might be better to update our AGI than challenge the government on unclear deadlines when money owed is concerned.
Recertifying was easy. Our taxes were already complete, so updating our information was fairly straightforward. My address and marital situation hadn't changed so most of the information was pre-populated. All that was needed was to link up my request to the IRS to update my AGI, confirming family size, "reading" the disclosure, and signing. My spouse was present with her Dept of Ed PIN so we were able to have her co-sign on the spot. That was it for my loans. We had to logout and log in under her information and repeat the process to update her loans.
It seems that 2014 was a better year for us than 2013, our AGI went up about 11.7% which I suspected would translate to a 11.7% increase in our total student loan payment.
We used the calculator at the StudentLoans.gov website to estimate what our new payment would be. Last year, our total loan payments were about $222 ($144 for me, and $78 for my spouse). After updating our AGI from 2014, my estimated PAYE monthly payment increased by $37 to $181 and my spouse's estimated IBR monthly payment increased by $17 to $95. The net estimated monthly increase of $54 per month or $648 per year would be a 24% increase in our monthly student loan payment, or double my estimated percentage increase.
We are grateful the government created income driven repayment programs. Even an estimated repayment increase of $54 per month is $650 less than standard repayment. We did get 8 payments based on our 2013 income before needing to update our information. Only 112 payments left to go until my loans are forgiven.
PAYE and IBR Savings to date:
$704 * 8 = $5,632
Working on finding the sweet spot where our AGI makes our total IDR $208.33 per month or $2,500. That would optimize our student loan interest deduction and force us to save more pretax income for retirement...
Tuesday, March 10, 2015
PSLF Loan balances forgiven not taxable!
Public Service Forgiveness Loan Update
According to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), student loan amounts forgiven under PSLF arenot considered income for tax purposes. For more information, you should check with the IRS or your tax advisor.
This certainly was welcome news for future me who was looking at a future additional tax bill of about $20,000 in federal and state taxes based on projected loan forgiveness amounts. Looks like I may not be all grey in 2024 after all.
According to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), student loan amounts forgiven under PSLF arenot considered income for tax purposes. For more information, you should check with the IRS or your tax advisor.
This certainly was welcome news for future me who was looking at a future additional tax bill of about $20,000 in federal and state taxes based on projected loan forgiveness amounts. Looks like I may not be all grey in 2024 after all.
Thursday, September 18, 2014
One down, 119 to go
So here it is, the path is laid before me for the next 10 years. The process was not easy, straightforward or timely. Even trying to be prepared, It still took about 90 days to transfer my loans into the Pay As You Earn & Public Service Loan Forgiveness program. Until reforms happen in student loan consolidation and private lending, this chapter of the blog is on hold. Look forward to future posts about retirement savings, family finance, and general ways to save and make money work for you.
Monday, August 25, 2014
A Wrinkle in the Process
My original loan provider +Nelnet transferred my #DirectLoans to +MyFedLoan sometime in July as part of the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program #PSLF. During this time I received a letter that my loans were paid off from Nelnet. Knowing that this was part of the transition of my loans, I awaited information about my loans payments and their due dates with MyFedLoan.org. I received a letter from MyFedLoan.org that my account was past due and I owed about $1,100 by August 5th. Remember a few posts ago about how happy I was to have a $144 payment? After a few phone calls over the course of a few days, MyFedLoan finally had my loans transferred AND they corrected my monthly payment to be $144 NOT $1,100. Interestingly enough, I didn't have to make a payment to MyFedLoan on July 5th or August 5th while the loans were transferred to MyFedLoan as part of the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program.
Another important piece of information: the Employment Certification I submitted only cover loan payments through the date of the application; any payments after the application date require a new employment Certification form. I submitted the application April 18th, before any payments were made. MyFedLoan suggests you submit the form annually. Since I hadn't been credited for any payments it doesn't really make sense to resubmit until next year.
I would still suggest that if you are currently making payments, and have worked for a 501c3, education, government, non profit, or other public service type program, you submit the required form. You will receive credit towards the required 120 payments for any employment and payment after October 1, 2007. You may already have up to 6 years and 10 months of credit and not even know it. If you do, congratulations! You're almost there.
I'm looking at August 2024. Although it was nice to have another 2 months off from student loan payments, Future me is going to be upset that he has to make those higher payments for 2 extra months. :/
My original loan provider +Nelnet transferred my #DirectLoans to +MyFedLoan sometime in July as part of the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program #PSLF. During this time I received a letter that my loans were paid off from Nelnet. Knowing that this was part of the transition of my loans, I awaited information about my loans payments and their due dates with MyFedLoan.org. I received a letter from MyFedLoan.org that my account was past due and I owed about $1,100 by August 5th. Remember a few posts ago about how happy I was to have a $144 payment? After a few phone calls over the course of a few days, MyFedLoan finally had my loans transferred AND they corrected my monthly payment to be $144 NOT $1,100. Interestingly enough, I didn't have to make a payment to MyFedLoan on July 5th or August 5th while the loans were transferred to MyFedLoan as part of the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program.
Another important piece of information: the Employment Certification I submitted only cover loan payments through the date of the application; any payments after the application date require a new employment Certification form. I submitted the application April 18th, before any payments were made. MyFedLoan suggests you submit the form annually. Since I hadn't been credited for any payments it doesn't really make sense to resubmit until next year.
I would still suggest that if you are currently making payments, and have worked for a 501c3, education, government, non profit, or other public service type program, you submit the required form. You will receive credit towards the required 120 payments for any employment and payment after October 1, 2007. You may already have up to 6 years and 10 months of credit and not even know it. If you do, congratulations! You're almost there.
I'm looking at August 2024. Although it was nice to have another 2 months off from student loan payments, Future me is going to be upset that he has to make those higher payments for 2 extra months. :/
Friday, June 6, 2014
Ready, Set, Save!
Payment 1 of 120 has been debited.
What would you do with an extra $704 per month?
Standard repayment on my wife and my combined student loan debt of $86k is about $926 per month. Thanks to #IBR and #PAYE our total monthly student loan debt payment is $221.40 for the next 12 months, and then adjusted annually based on adjusted gross income, and loan balances. Thanks to these programs, we came out $704 ahead for June. Being able to use $704 per month toward living expenses, other debt, and savings instead of student loan debt is great support for why programs like #IBR and #PAYE benefit the middle class in the pursuit of more education.
Public Service Forgiveness is a great reason to go back to school to advance your career in government, education, and non-profit careers, but it is a long forgiveness game. I'll keep a running tally for the next 120 months until my loans are forgiven.
What are your student loan repayment success or horror stories?
Coming soon, strategies to deal with massive private loans, and other money saving tips.
Payment 1 - $221.40 -- Savings $704
What would you do with an extra $704 per month?
Standard repayment on my wife and my combined student loan debt of $86k is about $926 per month. Thanks to #IBR and #PAYE our total monthly student loan debt payment is $221.40 for the next 12 months, and then adjusted annually based on adjusted gross income, and loan balances. Thanks to these programs, we came out $704 ahead for June. Being able to use $704 per month toward living expenses, other debt, and savings instead of student loan debt is great support for why programs like #IBR and #PAYE benefit the middle class in the pursuit of more education.
Public Service Forgiveness is a great reason to go back to school to advance your career in government, education, and non-profit careers, but it is a long forgiveness game. I'll keep a running tally for the next 120 months until my loans are forgiven.
What are your student loan repayment success or horror stories?
Coming soon, strategies to deal with massive private loans, and other money saving tips.
Payment 1 - $221.40 -- Savings $704
Thursday, April 17, 2014
You Can Major In Saving The World and Not Go Broke Part II - Pay As You Earn PAYE and Public Service Forgiveness Loan program
I checked my inbox today and received an email from my student loan service provider. It just got real: Your Statement is Now Available
It's been six months since I turned in my last paper, given my last academic presentation, and graduated from my Master's program. My framed diploma (receipt) hangs next to my undergraduate diploma (receipt) in my cubicle and is beginning to collect dust.
The repayment grace period is just about over, and Uncle Sam wants his money back over the next 120 months.
I received an email from my loan provider that my statement was available with a first payment due June 5th.
To get an idea of what I would actually pay, I went to studentloans.gov, logged in with my social security number and department of education pin, and looked at the 'Tools and Calculators.' After entering my debt (63k), my wife's debt (23k), our AGI, and family size, I had a few options:
Standard Repayment - 120 payments - $720 per month - no thank you.
Graduated Repayment - 120 payments - $414 to $1,243 per month - yikes! why did I go to graduate school again?
Extended Fixed - 300 payments - $430 per month - a mortgage on my future
Extended Graduated - 300 payments - $346 to $622 - like a mortgage but worse
Pay As You Earn - 240 payments* - $144 to $485 - winner winner chicken dinner
Income Based Repayment IBR - 300 months** - $215 to $720 - best of the worst
Income Contingent Repayment - 142 months - $556 to $735 more than my mortgage
* estimated loan forgiveness $77,629
** estimated loan forgiveness $3,766
In an earlier post, I wrote about the benefits of IBR and vaguely addressed public service loan forgiveness, a program where -. To maximize loan forgiveness, I am choosing to payback as little as possible per month ($144 v. & $720) for the next ten years which is why PAYE is best for me and my family. As the months and years go on, I will reevaluate repayment options.
Let's get to the good stuff.
If you, your partner, your friends, family, basically anybody you care about since October 1, 2007 has student loans and works (or has worked) for a:
Government Organization (including a Federal, State, local or Tribal organization, agency or entity; a public child or family service agency; or a Tribal college or university)
Non-profit, tax-exempt organization (under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code)
or Private, non-profit organization (that is not a labor union or a partisan political organization) that provides at least one of the following public services
It's been six months since I turned in my last paper, given my last academic presentation, and graduated from my Master's program. My framed diploma (receipt) hangs next to my undergraduate diploma (receipt) in my cubicle and is beginning to collect dust.
The repayment grace period is just about over, and Uncle Sam wants his money back over the next 120 months.
I received an email from my loan provider that my statement was available with a first payment due June 5th.
To get an idea of what I would actually pay, I went to studentloans.gov, logged in with my social security number and department of education pin, and looked at the 'Tools and Calculators.' After entering my debt (63k), my wife's debt (23k), our AGI, and family size, I had a few options:
Standard Repayment - 120 payments - $720 per month - no thank you.
Graduated Repayment - 120 payments - $414 to $1,243 per month - yikes! why did I go to graduate school again?
Extended Fixed - 300 payments - $430 per month - a mortgage on my future
Extended Graduated - 300 payments - $346 to $622 - like a mortgage but worse
Pay As You Earn - 240 payments* - $144 to $485 - winner winner chicken dinner
Income Based Repayment IBR - 300 months** - $215 to $720 - best of the worst
Income Contingent Repayment - 142 months - $556 to $735 more than my mortgage
* estimated loan forgiveness $77,629
** estimated loan forgiveness $3,766
In an earlier post, I wrote about the benefits of IBR and vaguely addressed public service loan forgiveness, a program where -. To maximize loan forgiveness, I am choosing to payback as little as possible per month ($144 v. & $720) for the next ten years which is why PAYE is best for me and my family. As the months and years go on, I will reevaluate repayment options.
Let's get to the good stuff.
If you, your partner, your friends, family, basically anybody you care about since October 1, 2007 has student loans and works (or has worked) for a:
Government Organization (including a Federal, State, local or Tribal organization, agency or entity; a public child or family service agency; or a Tribal college or university)
Non-profit, tax-exempt organization (under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code)
or Private, non-profit organization (that is not a labor union or a partisan political organization) that provides at least one of the following public services
- Emergency Management
- Military service,
- Public safety,
- Law enforcement,
- Public interest law services,
- Early childhood education (including licensed or regulated child care, Head Start, and State-funded pre-kindergarten),
- Public service for individuals with disabilities and the elderly,
- Public health (including nurses, nurse practitioners, nurses in a clinical setting, and full-time professionals engaged in health care
- Practitioner occupations and health support occupations, as such terms are defined by the Bureau of Labor Statistics),
- Public education,
- Public library services,
- School library services, or
- Other school-based services
KEEP READING!!!
You are eligible for credit towards Public Service Loan Forgiveness!
Here's what you need to do:
Fill out the first page of the Employment Certification for Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF) and send it to each organization meeting the criteria you have worked for since October 1, 2007 to fill out the second page verifying your employment and have them return it to you.
Follow the remaining instructions and send it in. Hopefully you will benefit from this program like I will!
I filled mine out today and sent it to my employer to fill and return. My wife will need to fill out an IBR application to lower her payment in early June to lower her payment as my loan. To learn how to streamline IBR through @SallieMae, read my earlier post.
Have an IBR, ICR, PAYE, PSLF story or question? Please comment and let's figure out how to save money and live our life in loan repayment! Remember to share the post and spread the word!
Friday, March 14, 2014
The Power of The Internet - Sallie Mae's Mea Culpa Phone Call - How to expedite your IBR application
On March 10th, I wrote a post about how Sallie Mae failed through an IBR application by increasing our monthly payment $53 without telling us and what it took for us to correct it. I shared my post on Google+, Facebook, and even tweeted +Sallie Mae with the hashtags #IBR and #Fail. In less than 48 hours, we received a call from Jennifer Margary Operator ID# E58941 from Sallie Mae to apologize, right the situation, and explain what happened.
Jennifer was an absolute delight, and an optimal customer service / account representative who was courteous, prompt, and pleasant to talk to. When she called, she explained the call could/would be recorded for customer service and training purposes. It turns out that she was calling because Sallie Mae found my post ( #poweroftheinternet ) and wanted to follow up with the account.
So here's what happened:
Jennifer explained that the payment processing department is overwhelmed with IBR applications which might be why it took more than two months to process. Considering all submission was done electronically, and having had 3 years working in a HR transaction processing service center, I have a hard time believing it would take 2 months. Jennifer then explained that the IBR application should NEVER HAVE BEEN PROCESSED because it resulted in a higher monthly payment and that it was totally Sallie Mae's fault.
Here is the interesting thing and for what all of you who have or will have student loans as well as your spouse need to know: you must wait until both of your loans are in repayment to get the benefit of an IBR plan. Which in our case will be in June.
Now, Jennifer could have ended the conversation there and moved on with her day, but here is what really made her stand out as my best experience with Sallie Mae to date; she took the time to look up our IBR application and calculated that my wife's loan payment would be approximately $70-75 per month when my loans go into repayment. Then, even though my loans are not serviced by Sallie Mae, she calculated that my loan payments would be about $190 per month through IBR based on the information she had! This information was helpful, but considering the two month lag between IBR application and processing, I wanted to know how to expedite the process. Jennifer came through like a champ and delivered. When my loans go into repayment, she told me us to
1) go the the nslds.ed.gov website to give Sallie Mae loan holder access to my account information
2) Submit another IBR application
3) To call the secret Sallie Mae number 1-888-545-4199 and that one of the six operators could help get the applications routed priority to the processing department and that it should be processed within two business days.*
* If the application is processed at least 2 days before your next payment is due, the lower IBR payment will be what is due for that month.
Jennifer also confirmed that our account was being erroneously charged an extra 0.25% and cancelled the additional accrued interest and restored our interest rate to 5.125%
I gave Jennifer other feedback about the lack of transparency on Sallie Mae's website regarding IBR and the lack of calculators; as well as making sure that this error could be a training opportunity. She respectfully noted down my suggestions and we ended the call.
Most customer service experiences we hear about are negative, especially when dealing with creditors. I hope when +Sallie Mae finds this post, Jennifer is recognized for how excellent she was.
Jennifer was an absolute delight, and an optimal customer service / account representative who was courteous, prompt, and pleasant to talk to. When she called, she explained the call could/would be recorded for customer service and training purposes. It turns out that she was calling because Sallie Mae found my post ( #poweroftheinternet ) and wanted to follow up with the account.
So here's what happened:
Jennifer explained that the payment processing department is overwhelmed with IBR applications which might be why it took more than two months to process. Considering all submission was done electronically, and having had 3 years working in a HR transaction processing service center, I have a hard time believing it would take 2 months. Jennifer then explained that the IBR application should NEVER HAVE BEEN PROCESSED because it resulted in a higher monthly payment and that it was totally Sallie Mae's fault.
Here is the interesting thing and for what all of you who have or will have student loans as well as your spouse need to know: you must wait until both of your loans are in repayment to get the benefit of an IBR plan. Which in our case will be in June.
Now, Jennifer could have ended the conversation there and moved on with her day, but here is what really made her stand out as my best experience with Sallie Mae to date; she took the time to look up our IBR application and calculated that my wife's loan payment would be approximately $70-75 per month when my loans go into repayment. Then, even though my loans are not serviced by Sallie Mae, she calculated that my loan payments would be about $190 per month through IBR based on the information she had! This information was helpful, but considering the two month lag between IBR application and processing, I wanted to know how to expedite the process. Jennifer came through like a champ and delivered. When my loans go into repayment, she told me us to
1) go the the nslds.ed.gov website to give Sallie Mae loan holder access to my account information
2) Submit another IBR application
3) To call the secret Sallie Mae number 1-888-545-4199 and that one of the six operators could help get the applications routed priority to the processing department and that it should be processed within two business days.*
* If the application is processed at least 2 days before your next payment is due, the lower IBR payment will be what is due for that month.
Jennifer also confirmed that our account was being erroneously charged an extra 0.25% and cancelled the additional accrued interest and restored our interest rate to 5.125%
I gave Jennifer other feedback about the lack of transparency on Sallie Mae's website regarding IBR and the lack of calculators; as well as making sure that this error could be a training opportunity. She respectfully noted down my suggestions and we ended the call.
Most customer service experiences we hear about are negative, especially when dealing with creditors. I hope when +Sallie Mae finds this post, Jennifer is recognized for how excellent she was.
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